I've been using DW 2014 for years just cause it was familiar but it's probably time to update it. PVII functionality is important to me. Anyone have any warnings or suggestions about how the newest version of dreamweaver works with PVII? Or even general comments about whether I should upgrade it or not? I'm on Mojave on a mac.
upgrading dreamweaver question
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cliffwass
offlineMemberPosted 2 years ago -
Cliffwass, from personal experience I can say that the latest DW CC products work fine. Of course there is this subscription obligation. The PVII products integrate without a hitch, there is one important issue: the PVII extensions are regarded unwanted aliens by Adobe so no way you can import them with Adobe's standard tools. PVII have made their own extension manager and I read that this works fine. I was one of the first confronted with Adobe's policy change as to 'foreign' extensions, version 1 of PVII's extension manager didn't work for me at the time and I found and have used since then DMX Zone's extension manager. Close DW first, load DMX Zone, import the extensions, and restart DW. No problems at all.
From what I read and hear, many stick to the CS6 version of DW's non-subscription version and they are happy with it.
Good luck!
Wim
Posted 2 years ago -
choreo
offlineMemberI am using the latest version of DWCC on both my 2019 Mac Pro and my 2015 MacBook Pro - both running the latest version of Catalina.
I have had a couple times the past few years where, when upgrading to the latest version of DWCC, it would lose my extensions and I would have to reinstall all of them. I have lots of PVII extensions so that can take about an hour to download and reinstall all of them. Most recently when setting up my new Mac Pro, I did a clean install of all Adobe CC apps and used Anastasiy's Extension Manager to reinstall all my PVII extensions with no problems and for the most part everything is working fine.
The only random problem I keep experiencing in some of the extensions is if I try to modify several entries in a PVII list dialog, it will sometimes not save more than one change at a time? That means I have to keep reopening the interface to make individual changes and then close it. Most recently I was working in IRM2 (last night) and added 4 image slides. When I set each slides description's "Desc Position" to different parameters, they don't "stick" after closing the dialog. I was not even able to change one at a time last night, so I finally gave up and chose the "All" button to set all the descriptions to show "Below" and that at least worked. I have had the same random behavior in other extensions like MBX and APM.
Posted 2 years ago -
weakender
offlineMemberI am wondering if p7 is dead now, because issues like these are tech signals that the code base is not stable/up to date. It is not wise to trust code that shows such signals.
Not a politically correct comment I suppose, but this is a p7 support/community forum.
I hope for a better conclusion, but unless this gets clarified, conclusions create themselves.
Posted 2 years ago -
weakender
offlineMemberI am wondering if p7 is dead now, because issues like these are tech signals that the code base is not stable/up to date. It is not wise to trust code that shows such signals.
Not a politically correct comment I suppose, but this is a p7 support/community forum.
I hope for a better conclusion, but unless this gets clarified, conclusions create themselves.I'll post on my own question, lol.... now that I see the new version of DW is legit, and works with 3rd party extension managers (some, at least). Good to see Adobe advancing DW as a product, and I guess that's what I'm hopng to see from p7... in modern DW20 I don't see "modify" for p7 widgets (editing by doing an INSERT withn existign code...seems to work).. things like that are p7 customer interface issues (?)
As Adobe promote Bootstrap within DW, all the more recognition for p7 extensions as competitors to that... and thus DW being more "open" as opposed to "DW is only for bootstrap sites" sort of market impression.
Posted 2 years ago -
Adobe removed the Modify and Command menu items a few versions ago. All of our products since then are built to use just the single Insert Menu or Insert Bar Icon as a launching point. The extension will then automatically go into the appropriate mode, Create or Modify, based on your insertion point.
Older extensions that use the Modify or Commands menu can still be used, Adobe moved them to the the main Window menu under the Windows-Extensions-Studio VII menu. You'll find both the Modify and Commands items there in separate menu items.
For extension installation we issue our own PVII Extension Manager for CC -the current version 0.26 has been updated for Dreamweaver CC 2021 support ever since the release of CC 2021:
https://www.projectseven.com/products/ex-man/update.htm
For Mac installation we, and Adobe, recommend using the free Anastasiy Extension Manager:
https://install.anastasiy.com/Occasionally there are internal Adobe file corruptions that prevent either of these from working properly since they both use the Adobe Exman utility. In these cases we recommend using the DMXZone Extension Manager since it does not rely Creative Cloud connections, also free:
https://www.dmxzone.com/go/22670/dmxzone-extension-manager-for-dreamweaver/
And no, PVII is not dead, we're here to stay.
Posted 2 years ago -
choreo
offlineMemberAnd no, PVII is not dead, we're here to stay.
Nobody is better at post-sales support!
Posted 2 years ago -
Adobe removed the Modify and Command menu items a few versions ago. All of our products since then are built to use just the single Insert Menu or Insert Bar Icon as a launching point. The extension will then automatically go into the appropriate mode, Create or Modify, based on your insertion point.
Older extensions that use the Modify or Commands menu can still be used, Adobe moved them to the the main Window menu under the Windows-Extensions-Studio VII menu. You'll find both the Modify and Commands items there in separate menu items.
For extension installation we issue our own PVII Extension Manager for CC -the current version 0.25 has been updated for Dreamweaver CC 2021 support ever since the release of CC 2021:
https://www.projectseven.com/products/ex-man/update.htm
For Mac installation we, and Adobe, recommend using the free Anastasiy Extension Manager:<br />
https://install.anastasiy.com/Good to hear!
Occasionally there are internal Adobe file corruptions that prevent either of these from working properly since they both use the Adobe Exman utility. In these cases we recommend using the DMXZone Extension Manager since it does not rely Creative Cloud connections, also free:
https://www.dmxzone.com/go/22670/dmxzone-extension-manager-for-dreamweaver/
And no, PVII is not dead, we're here to stay.Posted 2 years ago -
weakender
offlineMemberThanks for the reply, Gerry.
"For Mac installation we, and Adobe, recommend using the free Anastasiy Extension Manager"
It is that Anastasiy extension manager that just updated yesterday, no longer including Dreamweaver in it's applications list. That is why a desire to upgrade one p7 extension led to a morning of moving from DW CC 2014 to DW2020 + DMX extension manager. I never wanted any 3rd party extension manager for p7 extensions, but was forced to go to Anastasiy when p7's stopped working.
Good to hear p7's is working again.... but with the "current" DW only working on the newest Mac OS (Mojave or Catalina.... anyone needing support for 32bit apps is staying on High Sierra), this is all still very unclear for the user that isn't in the business of producing or supporting Adobe DW or p7 products.
Posted 2 years ago -
weakender
offlineMembercase in point : link above to update exman
"For extension installation we issue our own PVII Extension Manager for CC -the current version 0.26 has been updated for Dreamweaver CC 2021 support ever since the release of CC 2021:
https://www.projectseven.com/products/ex-man/update.htm
"
presents only a WIN download button (while describing both Windows and Mac). The additional info link for Mac users goes to https://www.projectseven.com/products/ex-man/info.htm?tp3=1_3 which cleary then explains 1. the exman works for both mac and windows, and 2. the Mac versions don't work, so you recommend DMX for DW2021 and Anastsiy for DW2020 and lower.
This seems to suggest that your exman is NOT working now. It certainly isn't available via a link on those pages.
Posted 2 years ago -
I agree it is confusing, we'll need to completely redo the page since it does reference back to when we did produce our own PVII extensions manager for Mac. We'll completely re-build that page so that everything is clear.
1. We no longer produce a PVII version of Extension Manager for Mac.
2. Either Dreamweaver 2021 for Mac, or the latest Adobe ExMan Mac utility, includes serious bugs that prevent proper installation with any EM that uses the utility including the Anastasiy. The utility goes through all of the processes but the actual extension files do not get copied. This happens in the stand-alone command line version also. Nothing we can do until Adobe fixes it by updating DW 2021 or the Exman utility.
3. Until then, the ONLY way to install an extension into DW 2021 Mac is to use the DMXzone Extension Manager. It does not use the ExMan utility, or the Creative Cloud. Instead it installs files directly into the Dreamweaver file system.
I wish I had better news for you but we're at Adobe's mercy here, there is nothing else we, or Anastasiy. can do until Adobe fixes it.
Posted 2 years ago -
weakender
offlineMemberI agree it is confusing, we'll need to completely redo the page....
I wish I had better news for you but we're at Adobe's mercy here, there is nothing else we, or Anastasiy. can do until Adobe fixes it.Thanks this is the kind of response/info that matters, and is appreciated.
If it helps anyone, DMXzone re-installed after DW20, worked as it should, for any new installs of p7 extensions. While Anastasiy upgrade failed and reported no Dreamweaver, in reality it later "recovered", and is working again (the Adobe database issues you noted). Anastasiy confirmed it is that... and suggested that if I were a "developer" I could hack it, lol.
I suppose it's possible that DMXZone did something that fixed the issue Anastasiy had reading Adobe's db file. I have no idea.
DMXZone showed no p7 extensions installed, until I reinstaleld them. The upgraded Anastasiy (after getting "fixed"), shows I have 10+ p7 extensions installed, but DW doesn't show them. If I delete each p7 from Anastasiy, Anastasiy gives an error "could not delete" but does in fact delete it. If I reinstall a p7 extention, Anastasiy says "installed" and then it properly shows in DW (DW 20.2, MAC 10.13.6) and works.
All p7 extensions need to be reinstalled on either extension manager, but it does seem to work.
Posted 2 years ago -
paulw406
offlineMemberWhat just happened to me, FYI, is that I used the CC interface to install the latest version of DW CC (20.2)..
None of the P7 extensions appeared any more and the P7 Extension Manager errored out again when trying to install one.
I used the CC interface to uninstall it and am back using the previous version of DW CC.
However, when I boot up the EM only one or two extensions appear in the list.
But it does install new extensions that I did not have installed before. And DW2020 does show everyone under the Insert/ Studio PVII and PVII HTML Toolkits. And they work.
-paulw
Posted 2 years ago -
mick
offlineMemberThank you Gerry. I downloaded the DMXzone Extension Manager and made a test with one installation and it works with DW CC 2021. It looks like the widgets can only be accessed by the menu system (which is a bit complicated, especially if you have a lot of widgets and also because of the many clicks needed). Is there a way to show / list the widgets in a menu bar as before in DW 2020?
I tried to reinstall the previous DW version (2020) but there only a few widgets show up after the reinstallation and also there I would have to reinstall all widgets, page packs etc anew too.
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I cancelled my Adobe subscription some days ago and installed DW 5.5. on parallels windows on mac. It works fine and I think I will stick with the stand alone licence. If I get problems with that – not so far – I can still go back to DW CC and subscribe only to that app. Indesign I replaced by Quark Express, Photoshop by Affinity Foto and Pixlemator, Illustrator by Affinity Designer, and LightRoom by Capture One + Lightroom 5 standalone licence. Acrobat I have a 2017 standalone licence. For video I use Final Cut Pro. Only DW can be hardly replaced by any other app. I don’t like the subscription model at all. Its good for Adobe’s business and bad and money draining for the customers. If you stop subscriptions – even after you paid for years – you loose access to all apps. I don’t like that in any way nor do I find this fair and customer oriented.Posted 2 years ago -
The Insert Bar can be restored in Dreamweaver CC 2021 in the same way as previous versions. You click the Insert Panel header and then drag it to the top of the main window, the blue drag guide should be just underneath the Code View -Design/Live View selector. Then just let the mouse go, the Insert Bar should then appear. I's very much like the process outlined in this tutorial:
https://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/dreamweaver/insert-bar/index.htm
Posted 2 years ago -
paulw406
offlineMemberThat's never worked for me. Nothing to click and drag. No blue horizontal line.
I do remember that somehow I was able to add my P7 extensions to the right hand side of DW. It might had been under the Assets tab. I can't figure out how to do that now.
-paulw
The Insert Bar can be restored in Dreamweaver CC 2021 in the same way as previous versions. You click the Insert Panel header and then drag it to the top of the main window, the blue drag guide should be just underneath the Code View -Design/Live View selector. Then just let the mouse go, the Insert Bar should then appear. I's very much like the process outlined in this tutorial:
https://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/dreamweaver/insert-bar/index.htmPosted 2 years ago -
mick
offlineMemberThe Insert Bar can be restored in Dreamweaver CC 2021 in the same way as previous versions. You click the Insert Panel header and then drag it to the top of the main window, the blue drag guide should be just underneath the Code View -Design/Live View selector. Then just let the mouse go, the Insert Bar should then appear. I's very much like the process outlined in this tutorial:
https://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/dreamweaver/insert-bar/index.htmThank you Gerry, that works!
Posted 2 years ago -
mick
offlineMemberThat's never worked for me. Nothing to click and drag. No blue horizontal line.
I do remember that somehow I was able to add my P7 extensions to the right hand side of DW. It might had been under the Assets tab. I can't figure out how to do that now.
-paulwThe Insert Bar can be restored in Dreamweaver CC 2021 in the same way as previous versions. You click the Insert Panel header and then drag it to the top of the main window, the blue drag guide should be just underneath the Code View -Design/Live View selector. Then just let the mouse go, the Insert Bar should then appear. I's very much like the process outlined in this tutorial:<br />
https://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/dreamweaver/insert-bar/index.htmThe insert tab is in the right panel in the "normal" DW mode. Just drag and drop. It works.
Posted 2 years ago -
paulw406
offlineMemberI was trying to drag and drop the insert menu from the ribbon!
Thanks!! Much better!!!
-paulw
That's never worked for me. Nothing to click and drag. No blue horizontal line.<br />
The insert tab is in the right panel in the "normal" DW mode. Just drag and drop. It works.
Posted 2 years ago -
I just revised that tutorial to make things a bit clearer and targeted for the current versions of Dreamweaver:
https://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/dreamweaver/insert-bar/index_cc.htm
Posted 2 years ago -
paulw406
offlineMemberBetter!
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